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I'm going to be blatantly annoyed here.

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Feb. 1st, 2010 | 08:50 pm
feeling kind of: aggravatedaggravated
listening to: Zwei: Find Me

Because it continues to irk me and I absolutely need to rant about it:

WHY WOULD YOU ASK FOR CREDIT FOR FINDING SOMETHING?

I do think if there's one major way Arashi fandom has affected me, it's on the subject of crediting for media shared on the Internet. In the digital age, it's far too easy to just take and not give. And since anyone with enough perseverance can find what they need to, it's even easier to not credit. I've seen rininjapan get all worked up about the subject of asking for credit in the Arashi fandom, and how none of the selfish stealing-money-from-Johnny's bitches can ask for credit since they didn't actually take the photos/sing/whatever, but let's see if I can't set the groundlines for what - in my opinion - constitutes as fair.

If you were explicitly involved in the process in which said media became digitalized - whether it's ripping, encoding, or scanning - then yes, you can ask for credit. If it's a subtitled video or a translated written piece, and you were the one who translated/hardcoded it - yes, you can ask for credit. Even if all you did was *gasp* buy the actual photos/CD that someone else helped you scan/rip to put online, go ahead and ask for credit. After all, it's your physical object paid for with your hard-earned money that underwent the process of being used and potentially broken or beaten up so that everyone could enjoy it. (It should go without saying that fanart/fan graphics/fanfiction, as the creation of the creator, no matter how little work went into it, deserve credit. No one else even deserves to ask for credit in that situation, especially not for sharing the fanart/fanfiction/graphics to everyone else.)

But if you can lay claim to none of the above, then in my estimation, you're no better than a glory-seeking ass who tries to pop up in every picture and claim fame for it.

Yes, I understand it can take a while to find things. And that perhaps you're saving us from wasting the same amount of time you did in searching for it. But honestly, when you ask for credit for EVERY. SINGLE. LITTLE. THING. - even a video posted by the official label on YouTube, of all things, like in this post, then no. You're just crazy. Anyone can find something as public as that. Why do you get to ask for credit just because you linked to it? If I were posting the embedded video in my forum signature, why should I have to credit you for it just because you saw it and posted it in someplace that I saw before I went to the YouTube page to check?

Even better yet, though... HOW DO YOU ASK FOR CREDIT EVEN AS YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE UPLOADED?

Those "screencaps" that you want credit for finding and rehosting aren't even that high-quality. In fact, they're literally shots of the show as it was airing on a television that was obviously not yours. You can even see the light reflecting on the television frame and the scan lines. Trying to lay even the barest claim to such a thing is pure stupidity.

Lastly - yes, it can be annoying when your work is usurped by someone. But honestly, when you browse on the Internet, you do it out of fun. You do it for your enjoyment. Or perhaps you're researching - and in this case the subject just happens to be something you enjoy. It might have been inevitable that you would find it. Is there anything wrong with merely sharing it out of love for the fandom without asking for credit for something you'd have done regardless?

On one hand, yes. Perhaps I am jaded by this because I have been an AAA fan since they debuted. Your so-called "old/hard to find" pictures, I saw years ago, between my own Internet searches and being a part of the A'dAA forum. The pictures of them when they first debuted, I saw on the actual site. I even have a Photobucket album for the profile pictures that I saved off the site - from BLOOD on FIRE to where I stopped in 2007 at AROUND/Red Soul. But I've been around since 2005, so I can understand if someone who only came in in 2008 didn't see these pictures.

But on the other hand, in one of your (locked) updates, you even asked for credit for finding a fansite that had pictures of AAA at Otakon. Perhaps this is awe-inspiring to newer fans so they see the need to credit because they are too stupid to use Google and would never have found it otherwise. Really? Credit for finding a fansite? You didn't even compile the pictures or go to much hard work finding the pictures, you just want credit for finding the fansite that did. I'm going to stand by my statement that the people who actually credit you for this are morons. Just as much as you are for wanting credit for it.

Taking Arashi fandom as an example - I don't begrudge SNG or arashi_yuuki or crystalove87 their requests for credit because they actually scanned it. Certainly, they don't own the copyright to the images, but there was work done in giving us high-quality images.

And then there's jesychan, who posts all over the You&J and Arashi comms with scans, only asks that you credit the various sources where she found them. And she posts a lot of good-quality scans - such that I see various fangraphics crediting her with as much reverence as yuckie_chan got. If she can do it, why can't others? Do you really want that much to be known as a big-name fan? I've seen big-name fans in the AAA fandom, especially seeing how small it is, and with each time I see the "credit for finding" I can only think how petty you are.

I'm not saying that you can't ask for credit for things that are honestly hard to find - even if I disagree with the motive behind your asking for credit. I'm just saying that this need to be credited has gone to the point of lacking any sort of sanity or sense.

Am I honestly crazy for thinking so? Or is the AAA LJ fandom as ridiculous as I think it's grown to be?

If the people I am annoyed at read this and come in saying that they do it because the other person made them protective - well then, all I have to say is that you didn't actually read the post. If you can't bother to understand what I'm saying before arguing, then there is no way we can talk.

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jenn is so great

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from: iaoiua
date: Feb. 2nd, 2010 03:43 am (UTC)
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Sometimes I think that there must be something wrong with me, because I continue to read the comments on NYT articles and in response to arama entries ... even though I know (and believe) that 99% of the folks on the Internet are actually idiots. Sometimes I think there must be something wrong with me, because I continue to read and get upset over these idiots.

Slowly I'm weaning myself off these (actually, quite stressing) habits. I don't know; sometimes you just have to be some kind of holier-than-thou by letting the idiots do whatever it is that idiots do, and not let them lower your quality of life :)

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キミツ

-couldn't bother-

from: ketsune
date: Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:06 am (UTC)
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I'm usually detached from Internet stupidity because I like to point and laugh - but since this is happening in a community I moderate (attackallaround) and was a major part of some drama a few months back, I was stuck getting involved. Actually, it stresses me out even more that I have taken notice of it, because then it nags at me.

It's not just the two original posters of the posts I've linked, but also the person that was supposedly harassing them. Because I've made it a point to stay neutral in the drama, I'm mad/annoyed at all three of them. And the more I've read about the drama, the more stupid both sides have seemed, adding to the annoyance. Which is even more stressful, but I guess mostly I'm pained at the apparent degeneration of the fandom and how this thing has ended up affecting me. (It gets even better! I have had intentions put to actions that I did not initiate! ...to remain cryptic.)

Perhaps in another month or so I'll be able to let it go. I'm hoping sooner, actually, but I'm the kind of person who holds a grudge and lets it fester stressfully even if I don't do anything about it. D:

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jenn is so great

-couldn't bother-

from: iaoiua
date: Feb. 2nd, 2010 05:31 am (UTC)
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Ah, since you're a mod for the comm, I can see where the frustration comes from (and how it could linger) more clearly. I like to remain so insignificant in the grand scheme of things that hopefully I'll be bothered by less ... not nearly as successful as I'd like, though x:

I too hold grudges as exemplified by an exchange with a classmate earlier today that I do not feel like recounting x:

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キミツ

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from: ketsune
date: Mar. 5th, 2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
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I would think if anyone is blatantly taking a side, it would be you (and your wife). attackallaround is and has always been neutral, which is why it has allowed EVERYONE regardless of their allegiance in this drama to post. You were a member since 2007 yourself, so you can see yourself how necessary it was for me to step in UNTIL this happened. But as you've blatantly chosen a side here already, perhaps there is no point in trying to argue that with you.

This post is public and applies to ALL fandoms with the potential of doing so - the AAA fandom is currently just the best example of it. The crediting issue applies to Victoria as well, as mentioned in my comment to iaoiua above, and I have offered the chance for either moderator of nissyshinjilove to supply an example that offends the subject of the post above as much as they themselves feel offended by it so that I can insert it in. I am still eagerly awaiting it.

If you find problem with me or how I run the community, you are welcome to leave. But if you think you can do a better job of staying neutral (as I told both sides the same thing), I will also welcome any suggestions. If you can offer something constructive instead of biased insults and supposedly-negative actions that don't affect me, though, I will be happy to read what you have to say.

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キミツ

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from: ketsune
date: Mar. 5th, 2010 07:17 pm (UTC)
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This entire comment thread has been screened on request of the original commenter and because it lacks direct relevance to what I'm talking about in this post.

But if any of you would like to publicly comment on the actual topic (that is - crediting for finding) without bringing in other aspects of the drama, I will gladly welcome it.

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キミツ

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from: ketsune
date: Mar. 6th, 2010 05:27 am (UTC)
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Thank you for being a calm voice and speaking out as such. Admittedly, it's not entirely relevant to the major issue, but because you've gone to the trouble of presenting your view rationally and it isn't going to suddenly stir up drama, I feel it's only fair that what you have to say isn't screened.

My big problem here, as I have oft mentioned to the owners of nissyshinjilove, is not so much that they ask to be credited for things they have found - even if I disagree with it for the reasons above - but when they are asking for credit for things that can be found in much easier places to find it. This, along with asking for credit on a request and a fansite that you did not work on, is the stuff I feel pushes the boundaries. This rant does not refer specfically to them, but to the action as a whole. I'm sorry that it was taken so personally - at the time of posting, they were the best and most constant examples. As I said in a comment above, I have offered the chance for either moderator to supply an example by Victoria so that they could give me one they felt as absurd as the ones I had posted, but they chose to decline after feeling it was useless at this point, so I guess what I have here is all we'll have.

Thank you for being empathetic instead of defensively righteous. It's easier to understand why they may feel that way about crediting. As being credited for what I do isn't such a big issue to me, then yes, I would be able to accept it with a sigh, but with emotions running high it's definitely hard to see past the anger and frustration coming from both sides.

Because even now I intend to remain neutral on the drama, while I'm glad you're speaking for their side in a rational manner, I'm going to maintain my opinion that even if one side started it, both parties have helped it escalate into what it is now. The crediting is not the major issue, I agree, but it is a personal grievance of mine which is the only reason I posted this, and not to say anyone was especially in the wrong in whole thing.

Unfortunately, again, I'm sorry this was taken so personally because it seems to have cemented their view that I am blatantly against them - when in fact this has been around for a full month and not a single person has referenced it. I will not be making anyone leave attackallaround regardless of their relation to the drama, but I will continue hope that a solution happens before it escalates into the need for something drastic.

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mandee.

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from: mandywheeler
date: Mar. 7th, 2010 07:38 pm (UTC)
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LOL i love you.

why do we not have each other added on here? :O

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mandee.

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from: mandywheeler
date: Mar. 7th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
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and yes, it has gotten insane. while we had our dramatic moments at ATTACK'd, they were NOTHING in compared to this crap that's going on now. i know i'm a fan of old AAA. but as for now? i really don't think so.

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